Dining||July 18, 2011 12:30 pm

Rockefeller gastropub takes Yelp controversy public

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Rockefeller, the gastropub that dared take on Yelp. Photo by Kevin Cody

The Rockefeller versus Yelp, Round One

Many restaurateurs fume quietly about vindictive or ignorant reviews on Yelp and other sites, angry about being slammed unfairly but not wanting to provoke controversy. The Rockefeller in Hermosa Beach has gone public with their hate mail, some of which is from people who haven’t eaten there but slammed the place because they don’t like the owners. The management has asked diners who like the place to submit positive reviews to counteract the haters, and have offered a free “entrée, beer, or wine item” to people who do so. I’m not wild about this tactic but understand it – most people are more motivated to write negative reviews than positive ones, so most places get worse press than they deserve. There are also false positives – I know of restaurateurs (and let me make it clear, I am not talking about the owners of The Rockefeller here) who have told their staff to post positive Yelp reviews of the place they work, and negative reviews of their competitors. The game is easily rigged in either direction, and all a casual reader can do is hope that false praise and petty vindictiveness will cancel each other out.

In their defense, Yelp attempts to deal with the problem and weed out the worst offenders, but the sheer volume of posts makes it an impossible job. The company’s business model, which involves injecting irrelevant advertiser listings into searches so that a request for restaurants in Hermosa brings up places in Gardena, doesn’t help matters; both the impartiality and accuracy of listings is impaired. The Rockefeller may not benefit in the short run from their campaign because diehard Yelpers will slam them, and their gifts to positive reviewers may cause doubts about honest assessments, but they have done a service by bringing the subject into the open.

By the way, my capsule review of The Rockefeller, not posted to Yelp: surprisingly good food, well-chosen beer list, but the relatively high prices and LOUD environment means I go there less often than I might. Also, a place by this name ought to have oysters Rockefeller more often than once a week.

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  • http://twitter.com/socialraves Social Raves

    That’s too bad. Less than honest reviews are a big issue. While consumers have a right to the truth, business owners need to be protected too from blatant inaccuracies, half-truths, and outright lies. Not sure what the answer to this conundrum is but we’ve been working on a solution — or envision an environment, if you will — where consumers use their social graph to filter reviews. The way it works is pretty simple: I recommend local brands and businesses I like — from dentists to painters to preschools — to friends and ask my friends to do the same thing for me. At the end of the day, we’ll each have our own reference source on great local stuff personalized for us by the people we know and trust. It greatly facilitates search as well as discovery. Sure, I might still see a fake review here and there, but the lie won’t do as much damage because I’d simply discount it and go with what friends who vouch for the establishment say. Check out http://www.socialraves.com; we’re on beta in Columbus, Ohio but you can start building your personalized reference source even if you reside outside of that market by adding your favorite businesses to the database and raving about them to friends. Remember: ask your friends to do the same. Cheers!

    Postscript: a Facebook app is in the works that lets you recommend local businesses to friends right from the fan page of the business.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_YGIMXNZTY3SV6NJECTB5P65XIE roberts

    im a  hermosa  resident, been to all the restaurants.    first off,  none  can  compare  food quality  to what you get  back east,  cape  cod  for  example.  secondly, im not the only one to see prices  going through the  roof  and portions cut.   so,  although i can afford  any  of them,  i refuse  to be  a  sucker and  pay  for  second  rate food  at  too high  price.  thus,  i  will probably  never  go.   as for  the noise  factor ,  a  bunch  of  boomers  trying  to  make  themselves heard  to those  who  dont  care  what  they  are  promulgating.    total  conversations  added  up  for  one  nite  at  rockefellers  wouldnt  impress  a  fifth   grader.    but  those  phonies  are  so full  of   themselves  so  they  need  to  make  noise.    like  monkees  in  the  zoo.  they  simply  cant  control   themselves   and   probably  screamed  and  yelled   to  get  a   cookie  when  they  were  children,,,,  and  the  parents  gave  in.
    yes,  ill  give  you  a  cookie  as  long  as you  love  me.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_YGIMXNZTY3SV6NJECTB5P65XIE roberts

    im a  hermosa  resident, been to all the restaurants.    first off,  none  can  compare  food quality  to what you get  back east,  cape  cod  for  example.  secondly, im not the only one to see prices  going through the  roof  and portions cut.   so,  although i can afford  any  of them,  i refuse  to be  a  sucker and  pay  for  second  rate food  at  too high  price.  thus,  i  will probably  never  go.   as for  the noise  factor ,  a  bunch  of  boomers  trying  to  make  themselves heard  to those  who  dont  care  what  they  are  promulgating.    total  conversations  added  up  for  one  nite  at  rockefellers  wouldnt  impress  a  fifth   grader.    but  those  phonies  are  so full  of   themselves  so  they  need  to  make  noise.    like  monkees  in  the  zoo.  they  simply  cant  control   themselves   and   probably  screamed  and  yelled   to  get  a   cookie  when  they  were  children,,,,  and  the  parents  gave  in.
    yes,  ill  give  you  a  cookie  as  long  as you  love  me.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_YGIMXNZTY3SV6NJECTB5P65XIE roberts

    im a  hermosa  resident, been to all the restaurants.    first off,  none  can  compare  food quality  to what you get  back east,  cape  cod  for  example.  secondly, im not the only one to see prices  going through the  roof  and portions cut.   so,  although i can afford  any  of them,  i refuse  to be  a  sucker and  pay  for  second  rate food  at  too high  price.  thus,  i  will probably  never  go.   as for  the noise  factor ,  a  bunch  of  boomers  trying  to  make  themselves heard  to those  who  dont  care  what  they  are  promulgating.    total  conversations  added  up  for  one  nite  at  rockefellers  wouldnt  impress  a  fifth   grader.    but  those  phonies  are  so full  of   themselves  so  they  need  to  make  noise.    like  monkees  in  the  zoo.  they  simply  cant  control   themselves   and   probably  screamed  and  yelled   to  get  a   cookie  when  they  were  children,,,,  and  the  parents  gave  in.
    yes,  ill  give  you  a  cookie  as  long  as you  love  me.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_YGIMXNZTY3SV6NJECTB5P65XIE roberts

    yes  cheesecake  factory  is  expensive  but you  get  a  full portion  with a  view.   they  are  not on the  new york  stock  exchange  for nothing.  they  charge  plenty.   but you  suckers  pay  it.  its  your  own  fault..      the  best  deal is  scottys  on  the strand  hermosa.  wed  and thurs  nites  in particular.   but  you  wont  be  seen  there  by  phonies  because  its  not  hip.   so  go and pay  your  pay  check   to  a  dump  like  rockefellers   so   maybe  they  can  get  on  the  stock   exchange  too,  on  your  dime,,,   i  mean  your  hundred  bucks.    stay  thirty  my  friend.    what  a  joke,  dont  you  get  it?    you  are  a  follower who  feels  guilty  if  you  dont  pay   exhorbitant  prices  for  mediocre  food   and  drinks.  thats  ok,  you  simply  dont   know  any  better.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_YGIMXNZTY3SV6NJECTB5P65XIE roberts

    yes  cheesecake  factory  is  expensive  but you  get  a  full portion  with a  view.   they  are  not on the  new york  stock  exchange  for nothing.  they  charge  plenty.   but you  suckers  pay  it.  its  your  own  fault..      the  best  deal is  scottys  on  the strand  hermosa.  wed  and thurs  nites  in particular.   but  you  wont  be  seen  there  by  phonies  because  its  not  hip.   so  go and pay  your  pay  check   to  a  dump  like  rockefellers   so   maybe  they  can  get  on  the  stock   exchange  too,  on  your  dime,,,   i  mean  your  hundred  bucks.    stay  thirty  my  friend.    what  a  joke,  dont  you  get  it?    you  are  a  follower who  feels  guilty  if  you  dont  pay   exhorbitant  prices  for  mediocre  food   and  drinks.  thats  ok,  you  simply  dont   know  any  better.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_YGIMXNZTY3SV6NJECTB5P65XIE roberts

    yes  cheesecake  factory  is  expensive  but you  get  a  full portion  with a  view.   they  are  not on the  new york  stock  exchange  for nothing.  they  charge  plenty.   but you  suckers  pay  it.  its  your  own  fault..      the  best  deal is  scottys  on  the strand  hermosa.  wed  and thurs  nites  in particular.   but  you  wont  be  seen  there  by  phonies  because  its  not  hip.   so  go and pay  your  pay  check   to  a  dump  like  rockefellers   so   maybe  they  can  get  on  the  stock   exchange  too,  on  your  dime,,,   i  mean  your  hundred  bucks.    stay  thirty  my  friend.    what  a  joke,  dont  you  get  it?    you  are  a  follower who  feels  guilty  if  you  dont  pay   exhorbitant  prices  for  mediocre  food   and  drinks.  thats  ok,  you  simply  dont   know  any  better.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_3BGWL6S7WQRINRCWKV6PL7GBYU JEHOVA

    YELP in HELL!
    We pray to ALLAH that YELP EXTORTION is exposed in Federal Court! Manipulation of reviews is extortion! We pray that our LORD shows no mercy for all the emotional damage and EXTORTION they have inflicted upon small business owners and the children they support. YELP is a brood of snakes and scorpions and deserve to BURN ALIVE for their  extortion, lies and slander. PRAY PSALMS 119 FOR THEIR DESTRUCTION!
    Say five times: “Archangel Gabriel destroy YELP! Now!”
    YELP WILL BE BANKRUPT SOON! ALL PRAISE TO ALLAH! The Merciful and Compassionate LORD OF MAN and EARTH!

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